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		<title>Can we still avert irreversible ice sheet melt?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_16299" aria-labelledby="figcaption_attachment_16299" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 300px"><a href="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/IMG_1033.jpg" rel="lightbox[16443]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-16299" alt="IQ on ice" src="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/IMG_1033-300x200.jpg" width="300" height="200" srcset="https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/IMG_1033-300x200.jpg 300w, https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/IMG_1033-1024x682.jpg 1024w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Walking on the Greenland ice sheet (Pic: I.Quaile)</p></div>
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<p>Earlier this week, I was able to follow up my last talk with <a href="http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~stefan/" target="_blank">Professor Stefan Rahmstorf from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research </a>(PIK), after he returned from the Paris climate science forum.  After the publication of the<a title="Polar ice set for six-metre sea level rise?" href="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/?p=16405" target="_blank"> study he was involved in on paleoclimatic data linking global temperature with sea level rise</a>, and having heard his <a href="http://www.dw.com/en/paris-science-forum-plots-climate-future/a-18574957" target="_blank">views on the science consensus ahead of the December UN summit in Paris</a>, I wanted to know how he views the prospects for the polar ice sheets.</p>
<p>A question I return to often is whether anything we do to reduce emissions from now onwards – given that huge damage has already been done by our fossil fuel emissions and that the CO2 will remain in the atmosphere for a very long time to come &#8211;  can prevent the ice sheets in the Antarctic and Greenland from reaching a “tipping point”.</p>
<p>Professor Rahmstorf gives this definition of a “tipping point” – which can mean different things to different people in different contexts:</p>
<p>“Climate tipping points are points of no return, where you cannot stop a process that has been set in motion. It’s a bit analogous to the situation where you are sitting in a rowing boat and you lean over a bit to one aside and not much happens. Then you lean a bit more and a tipping point comes where the boat simply tips over. One of these points of no return is with our continental ice sheets, where their further melt-down becomes inevitable and unstoppable. And we have to realize that we have enough continental ice on this planet to raise global sea level by more than 60 metres. That means we cannot afford to lose even a very small fraction of that ice without drowning coastal cities and small island nations.”</p>
<div id="attachment_14827" aria-labelledby="figcaption_attachment_14827" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 554px"><a href="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/7flash1.jpg" rel="lightbox[16443]"><img class=" wp-image-14827    " alt="The Sermeq Kujualleq glacier discharges icebergs into the sea (I. Quaile, Ilulissat 2009)" src="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/7flash1.jpg" width="554" height="369" srcset="https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/7flash1.jpg 4272w, https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/7flash1-300x200.jpg 300w, https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/7flash1-1024x682.jpg 1024w" sizes="(max-width: 554px) 100vw, 554px" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The Sermeq Kujualleq glacier discharges icebergs into the sea (I. Quaile, Ilulissat 2009)</p></div>
<p><b>Is the boat still afloat?</b></p>
<p>But, of course, we are already losing ice at a worrying rate. Rahmstorf cites recent research showing that at least a<a href="http://www.dw.com/en/west-antarctic-ice-sheet-collapse-unstoppable/a-17632087" target="_blank"> part of the West Antarctic ice sheet has already been destabilized</a>.</p>
<p>“We probably have already crossed the tipping point for a part of West Antarctica. That is probably going to already commit us to about three metres of sea level rise.”</p>
<p>Of course this is not likely to happen in the very near future. But the problem with the tipping points is, of course, that there is no going back, as Rahmstorf explains:</p>
<p>“Sea level has already risen 20 centimetres globally since the late 19<sup>th</sup> century, due to modern global warming, which is very basic physics. It’s melting continental ice sheets. And also the oceans are being heated up, which expands the ocean water, because warm water takes up more space. And by the year 2100, with unmitigated emissions, we are looking at one meter of sea level rise, which already, for vulnerable coastal areas like delta regions, like Bangladesh for example, will dramatically increase the storm surge risk. But sea level rise will not stop in the year 2100, because the ice sheets are actually quite slow to melt, and within the next decades, we will be causing a long-term sea level rise commitment by several metres for every degree of global warming that we cause.”</p>
<p><b>Greenland – and Miami, St. Petersburg, Bangladesh…</b></p>
<p>Record melting appears to be happening on Greenland at the moment. I asked Rahmstorf how safe the world’s biggest island and the largest area of freshwater ice in the northern hemisphere (See also the <a href="http://www.dw.com/flashcms/greenland/en/en_greenland_popup.htm" target="_blank">Ice Island in Pictures</a>) is from reaching a point of no return. He wasn’t able to give a reassuring answer:</p>
<p>“We don’t know exactly where the tipping point is for the Greenland ice shield is. The IPPC estimates anywhere between one and four degrees of global warming. We are already at one degree warming, so we may well cross that tipping point in the next decades.</p>
<div id="attachment_15515" aria-labelledby="figcaption_attachment_15515" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 630px"><a href="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/GP0STOKZP_press.jpg" rel="lightbox[16443]"><img class=" wp-image-15515" alt="Statue of Liberty Action at the Arctic Sea Ice Edge" src="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/GP0STOKZP_press.jpg" width="630" height="421" srcset="https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/GP0STOKZP_press.jpg 2500w, https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/GP0STOKZP_press-300x200.jpg 300w, https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/GP0STOKZP_press-1024x683.jpg 1024w" sizes="(max-width: 630px) 100vw, 630px" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Thanks to Greenpeace for this vision of Lady Liberty sinking beneath melting Arctic ice.</p></div>
<p>In the review of the relation between global temperature and sea level rise from polar ice disintegration I discussed in the last blog post, Rahmstorf and his colleagues found that just a slight further rise in temperature might equate to a rise in global sea level of up to six metres. I asked him what that would mean for the world right now:</p>
<p>“There would be quite a number of large coastal cities I cannot imagine could still be defended.  Think of New York city for example. Or Miami would be one of the first cities to go. St. Petersburg, Alexandria, Manila – you name them. Once you are talking about metres of sea-level rise, the consequences would be quite catastrophic. Especially as it is to be feared that people will not react proactively by move away from the danger zone, but will probably stay in their cities until a major storm surge hits. Like Hurricane Katrina hitting New Orleans, which also was a case where experts had warned for a long time that the city was in danger, once the next hurricane strikes, but people still didn’t act according to the precautionary principle. As they should have, and as we must do to prevent a climatic disaster in future.”</p>
<p><b>Can we keep the ice chilled?</b></p>
<p>So what would we have to do to keep sea level in check?</p>
<p>“Emissions would have to be close to zero by mid-century, so we are not talking about small cosmetic adjustments, but a transformation of our energy system, decarbonization, that is getting out of the carbon-based energy system. The good news is that the technologies to do that are available. It’s all about mustering the political will. And, of course, fighting the particular interests which are opposing this transformation.”</p>
<p>Stefen Rahmstorf is not one of those scientists who prefer to sit on the fence and leave the interpretation of his research and their implications up to the politicians. He is convinced only rapid action to stop emissions can prevent catastrophic climate change – including the melt of the polar ice.</p>
<p>I have interviewed him on previous occasions in the last few years. This time, I was surprised by his optimistic stance on whether the international community can still do anything in time to stop global warming from reaching the dangerous level of two degrees (or even one point five, as Rahmstorf and others say would be far preferable):</p>
<p>“There’s still a good chance that a strong agreement coming out of the Paris summit in December could mean we could avoid the Greenland tipping point.  I am cautiously optimistic that Paris will reach a meaningful agreement, not necessarily one that guarantees that we will stay below two degrees global warming, but one that will be seen in hindsight as a real turning point, from where emissions started to fall soon after. The key point is – the sooner we stop global warming, the better the chances are that we avoid future critical tipping points.”</p>
<p>All we need, says Rahmstorf, is the political will to make use of the technologies available, take on the fossil fuels lobby, and clean up our energy system.</p>
<p>Listen to my interview with Stefan Rahmstorf on <a href="http://www.dw.com/en/living-planet-living-planet-in-harmony-with-nature-2015-07-17/e-18531083#18589842" target="_blank">DW&#8217;s Living Planet this week.</a></p>
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		<title>Berlin Wall &#8211; Hope for Arctic?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_15595" aria-labelledby="figcaption_attachment_15595" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 614px"><a href="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/P1010027.jpg" rel="lightbox[15591]"><img class=" wp-image-15595 " alt="Ice free Arctic Barrow by 2020? (Pic. I.Quaile)" src="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/P1010027-1024x768.jpg" width="614" height="461" srcset="https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/P1010027-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/P1010027-300x225.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 614px) 100vw, 614px" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Ice free Arctic Barrow by 2020?<br />(Pic. I.Quaile)</p></div>
<p>The statement by  veteran Arctic researcher Peter Wadhams that the Arctic could be ice-free in summer as early as 2020 sparked a lot of discussion. Recently I had the chance to talk to Professor Stefan Rahmsdorf, Professor of Physics of the Oceans and head of Earth System Analysis at Germany’s <a href="http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~stefan/" target="_blank">Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research </a>(PIK) about Wadham’s  forecast.<span id="more-15591"></span></p>
<p>At the recent Arctic Circle Assembly in Iceland, Wadhams, professor of applied mathematics and theoretical physics at Cambridge University, said data showed the ice volume was “accelerating downward” and the summer sea ice could be expected to disappear by 2020. This prompted <a href="http://www.adn.com/article/20141102/expert-predicts-ice-free-arctic-2020-un-releases-climate-report" target="_blank">Craig Medred, writing for Alaska Dispatch News</a>, (AND) to quip “get ready to order those beach umbrellas in Barrow”. (Arctic Barrow is the northernmost settlement in the USA).</p>
<p><b>Not 2020, but soon</b></p>
<p>It is not the first time Wadhams has predicted that the Arctic ice will melt faster than most of the models estimate. He says he bases his assumptions on data, much of it from submarines measuring below the ice since 1979, rather than on models. I asked Rahmstorf for his view. This was his reply:</p>
<p>“In science there is always a range of opinions, and I think Peter Wadhams marks one extreme of the range of opinions. I find it unlikely that in ice-free Arctic can be seen that soon, I think it is a few decades into the future, but it is extremely worrying that we have already lost almost half the ice cover in the Arctic ocean”.</p>
<p>I asked Rahmstorf about the above-average rise in temperature in the Arctic over the last 20 years or so:</p>
<div id="attachment_15599" aria-labelledby="figcaption_attachment_15599" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 274px"><a href="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/rahmstorf.jpg" rel="lightbox[15591]"><img class="size-full wp-image-15599 " alt="Climate expert Rahmstorf (Pic: PIK)" src="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/rahmstorf.jpg" width="274" height="184" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Climate expert Rahmstorf (Pic: PIK)</p></div>
<p>“We do see a disproportionate rise in temperatures in the Arctic. And in the summer, we have lost almost half of the sea ice cover that is usually on the Arctic Ocean since the 1970s. To some extent it is expected that the Arctic is a hotspot of global warming, because there is an amplifying feedback. If the ice cover shrinks, you absorb more of the solar radiation, less gets reflected back into space, because the ice normally acts like a mirror to the sunlight. To some extent what is happening in the Arctic is expected, and predicted by climate models. I say to some extent because it is a bit stronger than we expected and there are some aspects we still need to research. There is a similar issue in earth history, where there are some warmer periods in climate history where data consistently shows that the poles have warmed much more than the climate models would predict for these past periods in history, so there may be some amplifying factors at work in the Arctic that we haven’t include in the models yet. “</p>
<p><b>Wild weather ahead</b></p>
<p>So reality could be overtaking the modeled scenarios, and we don’t know why. Worrying?</p>
<p>Rahmstorf has been involved in various studies of how changes in the Arctic affect our weather. He summarized the findings in brief:</p>
<p>“Our weather is strongly affected by the jet stream, which is meandering around the planet in the mid-latitudes in the upper atmosphere, and this jet stream is driven by the temperature difference between the warm tropics and the cold Arctic. With this disproportionate Arctic warming, this temperature gradient is weakening, and to put it simply, it seems to make the jet stream more unstable, and more frequently you see very large meanders in the jet stream,  which can cause extreme weather on the ground.”</p>
<p>Rahmstorf, like most experts in the field, expects a further increase in extreme weather events and cites the massive flooding of the Elbe river in 2002 and heat waves in 2003 and 2010 as examples of what could increasingly be in store for us here in Europe.</p>
<p><b>Message for UN climate talks</b></p>
<p>With negotiators gearing up for this year’s UN climate conference in Lima, Peru, in just over two weeks’ time, and the publication of the Summary for Policymakers of the latest IPCC report, I asked Rahmstorf what he would say to politicians to convince them of the need to cut emissions. This is what he told me:</p>
<div id="attachment_13506" aria-labelledby="figcaption_attachment_13506" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 614px"><a href="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/Greenland-melting-ice.jpg" rel="lightbox[15591]"><img class=" wp-image-13506 " alt="... And the ice continues to melt. (Pic: I. Quaile, Greenland)" src="http://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/Greenland-melting-ice-1024x768.jpg" width="614" height="461" srcset="https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/Greenland-melting-ice-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https://blogs.dw.com/ice/files/Greenland-melting-ice-300x225.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 614px) 100vw, 614px" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">&#8230; And the ice continues to melt. (Pic: I. Quaile, Greenland)</p></div>
<p>“We see that global temperatures have risen by almost one degree Centigrade in the last 100 years, we see that global sea level has risen by nearly 20 cm in the last 100 years, we see that the mountain glaciers are in rapid retreat, the Arctic ice cover is in retreat, the continental ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are shrinking, losing mass, contributing to sea level rise, we see extreme events on the rise, for example the number of record-breaking hot months has increased five fold as compared to what you get by chance in a stationary climate. So climate change is here and is affecting people already, after a relatively small amount of global warming, of only one degree centigrade. And if we don’t stop this process, we will go well beyond two degrees centigrade, and we will leave the range we are familiar with throughout human history, throughout the Holocene, we will be way outside that into uncharted and, I think, very dangerous waters.”</p>
<p>Rahmstorf is convinced we can still stop warming from going above the two-degree target and cites the IPCC report and recommendations.  Although the current pledges for emissions reductions by the EU and just this week by China and the USA are still way below what is necessary, Rahmstorf is still optimistic.</p>
<p>“We are just  celebrating 25 years of the Berlin Wall coming down, and if you had asked people just a few months before that how likely it was that the wall comes down, nobody would have said it’s going to happen. I think processes like this in society cannot easily be predicted, but I can see very encouraging signs:  the huge success story of renewable energies, we can see parts of the world like the European Union have already greatly reduced their emissions of greenhouse gases since 1990, while still experiencing good economic growth, which shows you can decouple emissions from economic growth and welfare. We have the technologies to solve this problem, and the economic analysis of a number of different groups of economists from around the world as summarized by the IPCC shows that at just surprisingly little cost you will hardly notice as a normal person, if we go through this investment into the energy system that will transform it into a truly sustainable energy supply, and not a fossil fuel based one. “</p>
<p>I will end on that positive note. If you’d like to listen to the Professor for yourself, here he is:</p>
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